An Uncomfortable Conversation with Josh Szeps (How To Disagree & Still Be Friends) | Rich Roll

Rich Roll

Dec 12, 2024

Episode description

Josh Szeps is a renowned broadcaster, host of Uncomfortable Conversations, and a voice who brings discernment to our most intractable debates. We discuss our splintered media landscape, the atomization of truth, and how to navigate contentious dialogues with grace. READ MORE👉🏾https://bit.ly/richroll877
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CHAPTER
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:33 Political Discourse
00:03:04 Intentional Conversations
00:04:08 Echo Chambers and Biases
00:05:16 Challenges Facing Democracy
00:06:13 Media Ecosystem and Silos
00:07:13 Perception of Political Extremes
00:09:08 Silent Majority and Reasonable Discourse
00:12:15 Bipartisan Collaboration
00:15:07 The Struggle for Progressivism
00:16:59 Shifts in Political Identity
00:18:39 Dopamine Hits in Politics
00:20:47 Challenges of Legacy Media
00:22:56 Need for Nuanced Conversations
00:24:13 Distrust in Legacy Media
00:27:05 Public Broadcasting's Role
00:28:56 Challenges of Misinformation
00:31:44 Ad Break
00:33:46 School Closures and Political Backlash
00:35:39 Understanding Freedom during the Pandemic
00:40:19 The Complexity of Global Conflicts
00:42:23 The Problem of Shared Truth in Democracy
00:45:36 Reforming Social Media Algorithms
00:50:18 Regulation vs. Responsibility
00:53:39 Freedom of Speech and Misinformation
00:55:57 Concerns About AI
00:59:31 Future of AI and Daily Life
01:04:23 Ad Break
01:05:52 Podcast Election Discussion
01:09:15 Trump vs. Harris Podcast Strategies
01:10:12 Missed Opportunities in Outreach
01:14:36 Democracy and Media Dynamics
01:16:18 Cautiousness of the Democratic Machine
01:18:19 Transgressing Taboos
01:20:47 Cultural vs. Political Problems
01:23:09 Mental Health and Focus
01:25:52 Responsibility and Action
01:30:14 Distrust in Institutions
01:31:24 Reflection on Community and Trust
01:34:08 The Rise of Misinformation
01:35:24 Distrust in Institutions
01:36:11 Heterodox Figures and Fracturing
01:36:51 Sam Harris and Character Judgments
01:37:16 Case Study: Maajid Nawaz
01:40:04 Psychological Responses to Trauma
01:40:55 Conspiracy Theorists as Dissidents
01:42:00 Validation and Audience Capture
01:42:58 The Hero's Journey in Conspiracism
01:43:28 Expertise and Overreach
01:47:28 The Complexity of Truth
01:49:27 Authenticity in Content Creation
01:50:13 Introduction to Audience Engagement
01:50:35 Risks of Audience Capture
01:50:58 Integrity in Content Creation
01:51:20 Connection Beyond Rationality
01:51:51 The Anti-Woke Narrative
01:52:54 Racial and Class Inequality
01:54:11 Social Justice Movement Critique
01:56:11 Democratic Party's Challenge
01:56:56 Transgressive Narratives in Politics
01:57:29 The Need for Rational Conversations
01:58:35 Navigating Political Discourse
02:00:18 Future of Political Conversations
02:01:49 Advice for Engaging in Uncomfortable Conversations
02:04:03 Understanding Values in Discourse
02:05:25 Acknowledging Concerns
02:06:19 Navigating Complex Topics
02:08:15 Empathy in Conversations
02:08:53 Universal Values vs. Specific Rights
02:09:44 Basic Equality and Fairness
02:11:25 The Challenge of Identity Politics
02:14:10 Finding Common Ground
02:14:12 Closing Thoughts

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Episode description

Josh Szeps is a renowned broadcaster, host of Uncomfortable Conversations, and a voice who brings discernment to our most intractable debates. We discuss our splintered media landscape, the atomization of truth, and how to navigate contentious dialogues with grace. READ MORE👉🏾https://bit.ly/richroll877
✌🏼🌱 - Rich

This Episode Is Brought To You By...

AURA
Exclusive $35-off Carver Mat at https://bit.ly/aura2025. Use code RICHROLL at checkout to save!

NORDICTRACK
Take 10% off any purchase of $999+ with code RICHROLL 👉🏾https://bit.ly/rrnordictrack

Need a gift idea? Holiday discounts on my favorite gear, supplements, wellness products, and more 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/rrpsponsors

LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST
Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/rrpitunes
Spotify: http://bit.ly/rrpspotify
Google: http://bit.ly/rrpgooglepods

Meal Planner: http://meals.richroll.com
Voicing Change Book: http://richroll.com/vc
Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RichRollPodcastClips
Newsletter: http://bit.ly/rollcallemail

CHAPTER
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:33 Political Discourse
00:03:04 Intentional Conversations
00:04:08 Echo Chambers and Biases
00:05:16 Challenges Facing Democracy
00:06:13 Media Ecosystem and Silos
00:07:13 Perception of Political Extremes
00:09:08 Silent Majority and Reasonable Discourse
00:12:15 Bipartisan Collaboration
00:15:07 The Struggle for Progressivism
00:16:59 Shifts in Political Identity
00:18:39 Dopamine Hits in Politics
00:20:47 Challenges of Legacy Media
00:22:56 Need for Nuanced Conversations
00:24:13 Distrust in Legacy Media
00:27:05 Public Broadcasting's Role
00:28:56 Challenges of Misinformation
00:31:44 Ad Break
00:33:46 School Closures and Political Backlash
00:35:39 Understanding Freedom during the Pandemic
00:40:19 The Complexity of Global Conflicts
00:42:23 The Problem of Shared Truth in Democracy
00:45:36 Reforming Social Media Algorithms
00:50:18 Regulation vs. Responsibility
00:53:39 Freedom of Speech and Misinformation
00:55:57 Concerns About AI
00:59:31 Future of AI and Daily Life
01:04:23 Ad Break
01:05:52 Podcast Election Discussion
01:09:15 Trump vs. Harris Podcast Strategies
01:10:12 Missed Opportunities in Outreach
01:14:36 Democracy and Media Dynamics
01:16:18 Cautiousness of the Democratic Machine
01:18:19 Transgressing Taboos
01:20:47 Cultural vs. Political Problems
01:23:09 Mental Health and Focus
01:25:52 Responsibility and Action
01:30:14 Distrust in Institutions
01:31:24 Reflection on Community and Trust
01:34:08 The Rise of Misinformation
01:35:24 Distrust in Institutions
01:36:11 Heterodox Figures and Fracturing
01:36:51 Sam Harris and Character Judgments
01:37:16 Case Study: Maajid Nawaz
01:40:04 Psychological Responses to Trauma
01:40:55 Conspiracy Theorists as Dissidents
01:42:00 Validation and Audience Capture
01:42:58 The Hero's Journey in Conspiracism
01:43:28 Expertise and Overreach
01:47:28 The Complexity of Truth
01:49:27 Authenticity in Content Creation
01:50:13 Introduction to Audience Engagement
01:50:35 Risks of Audience Capture
01:50:58 Integrity in Content Creation
01:51:20 Connection Beyond Rationality
01:51:51 The Anti-Woke Narrative
01:52:54 Racial and Class Inequality
01:54:11 Social Justice Movement Critique
01:56:11 Democratic Party's Challenge
01:56:56 Transgressive Narratives in Politics
01:57:29 The Need for Rational Conversations
01:58:35 Navigating Political Discourse
02:00:18 Future of Political Conversations
02:01:49 Advice for Engaging in Uncomfortable Conversations
02:04:03 Understanding Values in Discourse
02:05:25 Acknowledging Concerns
02:06:19 Navigating Complex Topics
02:08:15 Empathy in Conversations
02:08:53 Universal Values vs. Specific Rights
02:09:44 Basic Equality and Fairness
02:11:25 The Challenge of Identity Politics
02:14:10 Finding Common Ground
02:14:12 Closing Thoughts

CONNECT WITH RICH
✩ Website - http://richroll.com​
✩ Rich Roll Podcast - https://richroll.com/all-episodes/
✩ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/richroll/
✩ Twitter - https://twitter.com/richroll
✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans
✩ Strava - https://www.strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich
✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra/
✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com​
✩ Cook - The Plantpower Way - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-signed/
✩ Italian! - The Plantpower Way: Italia - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-italia-signed/
✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll

FILMED AND EDITED BY DAN DRAKE
https://www.dandrake333.com/

* * * * *

NEW TO RICH?
Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
http://bit.ly/otillonyt
http://bit.ly/vegansglam

I LOVE MAIL! SEND IT HERE:
2630 Conejo Spectrum St.
Thousand Oaks, CA 91320

#richroll #richrollpodcast

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Embrace personal AI assistants for everyday support

In the medium-term future, it will be normal for everyone to have a personal AI assistant, accountant, and attorney available to them at all times.

Recognize harmful connections to foster better relationships

The idea that creating connection is always good is 'fatuous nonsense,' as connecting a vaccine conspiracy theorist to the mother of a newborn child is a terrible connection to be making.

Choose vaccination over COVID to reduce myocarditis risk

The incidence of myocarditis from getting a fully-fledged case of COVID is worse than the incidence of myocarditis from the vaccine.

Acknowledge others' views to navigate difficult conversations

To have a difficult conversation, begin by acknowledging what is correct about the other person's side and what is wrong about your own side.

Curate your information diet with the same care as your food choices

You need to be as scrupulous about what you put in your ears as you are about what you put in your mouth.

Focus on controllable spheres to enhance mental health

Your mental health is closely correlated to focusing on the spheres within your control, like your own neighborhood, instead of things you cannot change like presidential politics.

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