Dopamine and addiction: navigating pleasure, pain, and the path to recovery | Anna Lembke, M.D.

Peter Attia

Oct 14, 2024

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Anna Lembke is the Chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic and author of Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence. In this episode, Anna dives deep into the biochemistry and neurobiology of addiction, exploring the critical role of dopamine and the prefrontal cortex. She shares her framework for diagnosing and treating addiction, providing real-world examples involving alcohol, gambling, cannabis, social media, and more. Anna outlines the risk factors for addiction, including inherited and nurture-based risks, explores the rise of addictions in younger generations, and discusses effective ways to address these issues with children. Additionally, she touches on healthy coping strategies, the evolution of the “marshmallow experiment,” and provides insights into GLP-1 agonists as a possible tool for addiction treatment. Finally, she reflects on the value of 12-step programs and how she navigates the emotional challenges of her work.

We discuss:

  • The role of dopamine and the prefrontal cortex in addiction [3:00];

  • The clinical definition of addiction and the behavioral criteria for diagnosing it [13:00];

  • Assessing alcohol use: patterns, risks, and addiction diagnosis [17:15];

  • Applying the addiction diagnosis framework using gambling as an example [21:45];

  • Exploring addiction variability: how nature, nurture, and access shape individual vulnerability and drug of choice [25:15];

  • How abstinence from addictive behaviors can help reset the brain’s reward system and improve mental health [41:15];

  • Safely abstaining from addiction substances, drugs needing medical supervision, and other key considerations [51:30];

  • Transitioning from abstinence to long-term recovery: tools and considerations [59:00];

  • Exploring behavioral addictions like sex addiction, and the gender differences in addiction patterns [1:08:30];

  • Factors contributing to the increasing levels of addiction across the world [1:13:45];

  • How online pornography can affect young boys' developing brains and lead to addictive behaviors, and strategies for parents to address this issue [1:23:30];

  • The link between social media use and declines in mental health,

Episode description

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Anna Lembke is the Chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic and author of Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence. In this episode, Anna dives deep into the biochemistry and neurobiology of addiction, exploring the critical role of dopamine and the prefrontal cortex. She shares her framework for diagnosing and treating addiction, providing real-world examples involving alcohol, gambling, cannabis, social media, and more. Anna outlines the risk factors for addiction, including inherited and nurture-based risks, explores the rise of addictions in younger generations, and discusses effective ways to address these issues with children. Additionally, she touches on healthy coping strategies, the evolution of the “marshmallow experiment,” and provides insights into GLP-1 agonists as a possible tool for addiction treatment. Finally, she reflects on the value of 12-step programs and how she navigates the emotional challenges of her work.

We discuss:

  • The role of dopamine and the prefrontal cortex in addiction [3:00];

  • The clinical definition of addiction and the behavioral criteria for diagnosing it [13:00];

  • Assessing alcohol use: patterns, risks, and addiction diagnosis [17:15];

  • Applying the addiction diagnosis framework using gambling as an example [21:45];

  • Exploring addiction variability: how nature, nurture, and access shape individual vulnerability and drug of choice [25:15];

  • How abstinence from addictive behaviors can help reset the brain’s reward system and improve mental health [41:15];

  • Safely abstaining from addiction substances, drugs needing medical supervision, and other key considerations [51:30];

  • Transitioning from abstinence to long-term recovery: tools and considerations [59:00];

  • Exploring behavioral addictions like sex addiction, and the gender differences in addiction patterns [1:08:30];

  • Factors contributing to the increasing levels of addiction across the world [1:13:45];

  • How online pornography can affect young boys' developing brains and lead to addictive behaviors, and strategies for parents to address this issue [1:23:30];

  • The link between social media use and declines in mental health,

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Utilize GLP-1s to eliminate alcohol cravings

In a clinical case, the GLP-1 agonist semaglutide led to the complete cessation of alcohol cravings for a patient with a treatment-refractory alcohol use disorder.

Foster trust to enhance self-control and delayed gratification

A revised marshmallow experiment showed that children who were lied to by researchers were much less likely to delay gratification, highlighting the critical role of a trustworthy environment in developing self-control.

Pay for dopamine upfront with hormetic stressors

Hormetic stressors like exercise and cold plunges cause dopamine levels to rise gradually and remain elevated for hours without a crash, because you are paying for the pleasure with upfront pain.

Recognize challenges of moderation after chemical addiction

Only a small minority of people with a severe chemical addiction, perhaps as low as 1%, are able to successfully return to using in moderation after a period of abstinence.

Implement dopamine fast to reset mental health pathways

A four-week abstinence trial, or 'dopamine fast,' from a drug of choice is often the first intervention for anxiety and depression, as it can reset reward pathways and resolve symptoms without medication.

Navigate abundance mindfully in a world of scarcity evolution

Humans evolved for a world of scarcity but now live in an environment of overwhelming abundance, like cacti in a rainforest, which our brains are not equipped to handle.

Recognize universal withdrawal symptoms: anxiety, irritability, insomnia, dysphoria, craving

The universal symptoms of withdrawal from any addictive substance or behavior are anxiety, irritability, insomnia, dysphoria, and craving.

Recognize addiction risk in Parkinson's treatment with L-dopa

About a quarter of Parkinson's patients treated with L-dopa develop addictive disorders because the drug, a dopamine precursor, also binds to dopamine receptors in the brain's reward pathway.

Understand loss chasing in pathological gambling behavior

Pathological gamblers can get a dopamine release even when losing, a phenomenon called 'loss chasing,' because losing allows them to justify staying in the game longer.

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