Bonus: Why Chronic Disease Is Exploding (Full Conversation with Daniel Schmachtenberger)

Mark Hyman

Jul 4, 2025

Episode description

This is the full, unedited version of Dr. Hyman’s conversation with Daniel Schmachtenberger. The original episode was edited for pacing and clarity. This extended cut includes the entire four-hour dialogue as it happened — a deep dive into the systemic roots of chronic disease and the future of real prevention.

Episode description

This is the full, unedited version of Dr. Hyman’s conversation with Daniel Schmachtenberger. The original episode was edited for pacing and clarity. This extended cut includes the entire four-hour dialogue as it happened — a deep dive into the systemic roots of chronic disease and the future of real prevention.

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Address malnutrition in obesity by prioritizing micronutrients

The most obese people are often the most malnourished because their high-calorie, processed diet lacks micronutrients, leaving them constantly hungry.

Expose systemic racket in health industry for better awareness

The food industry creates diseases that the medical industry profits from treating, creating a 'systemic racket' where problems and solutions are sold by related interests.

Address $160 trillion cost of cleaning 'forever chemicals' from environment

The estimated cost to clean up existing PFAS, or 'forever chemicals', from the environment is $160 trillion, which is more than the entire global GDP.

Reform drug approval system to include natural compounds

The drug approval system incentivizes studying only novel, patentable synthetic chemicals, systematically ignoring natural compounds our bodies evolved with.

Choose fresh apples over stored ones for better quality

Most apples you buy in the grocery store are not fresh but have been stored in a nitrogen environment for about a year before being sold.

Avoid modern wheat to reduce inflammation and glycemic impact

Modern hybridized wheat contains not only more inflammatory gluten proteins but also a 'superstarch' called amylopectin A, which is highly glycemic.

Prioritize lead testing over cholesterol for heart health

Having a blood lead level over two is a bigger risk factor for heart attack and stroke than having abnormal cholesterol, yet it's rarely checked by cardiologists.

Address industrial toxins in newborns' umbilical cord blood

The average newborn has 287 industrial and petrochemical toxins in their umbilical cord blood before they even take their first breath.

Reassess healthcare risks as leading cause of death in America

When you combine all factors like correctly prescribed drugs, errors, and hospital-acquired infections, the healthcare system itself is arguably the number one cause of death in America.

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