
85-Year-Old: "It Took Me 50+ Years To Learn What I'm About To Share With You" | James Hollis
Rangan Chatterjee
Mar 26, 2025
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Did you know that we spend six entire years of our lives dreaming? According to this week's guest, these dreams carry vital messages from our deepest selves that most of us never hear.
James Hollis, Ph.D. was originally a Professor of Literature and Philosophy at various universities until mid-life when he retrained as a Pyscho-Analyst at the Jung Institute in Zurich. He currently lives and teaches in Washington, D.C. and is the author of twenty books, including his latest: Living with Borrowed Dust: Reflections on Life, Love and Other Grievances.
In this conversation, James explains the important difference between purpose and meaning, and shares how his own midlife depression at the age of 35 was a pivotal moment that caused him to confront the harsh reality that despite "doing all the right things," he wasn't living true to himself.
We explore the purpose of dreams and what vital messages are contained within them, why so many of us end up living our lives by other people's rules - trying to please family, fit cultural norms, or climb career ladders - and James explains that, whilst this approach might help us get by at first, if often leads to burnout, depression, and, ill health.
James also introduces us to his thought provoking “second half of life” concept - not a chronological age but a psychological shift, when we start questioning who it is that we really are.
At nearly 85 years old and still seeing clients three days a week, James is full of clarity, perspective and wisdom. And I’m sure this conversation will leave you feeling inspired and motivated to live a more authentic life.
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Living with Borrowed Dust: Reflections on Life, Love, and Other Grievances UK https://amzn.to/4iCwyMK US https://amzn.to/41WJHcq
Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life: How to Finally, Really Grow Up UK https://amzn.to/4c7FnvC US https://amzn.to/4jhitEv
A Life of Meaning: Relocating Your Center of Spiritual Gravity UK https://amzn.to/41XoXBd US https://amzn.to/4hKWF2J
What Matters Most: Living a More Considered Life UK https://amzn.to/4iXhKYS US https://amzn.to/4iu8tHP
Hauntings: Dispelling the Ghosts Who Run Our Lives UK https://amzn.to/4iArMPS US https://amzn.to/4kWQf3j
Why Good People Do Bad Things: Understanding Our Darker Selves UK https://amzn.to/4kVsYPl US https://amzn.to/4kRi90N
Living an Examined Life: Wisdom for the Second Half of the Journey UK https://amzn.to/420YDpW US https://amzn.to/4hKTOa7
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Mindsip insights from this episode:
Recognize dreaming's profound purpose in your life
If you live to be 80 years old, you will have spent six of those years dreaming, which suggests dreaming has a profound purpose as nature doesn't waste energy.
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