What's REALLY Inside Lucy Gum and Feel Free Energy Drink, "Hidden" Ingredients in Nicotine Vapes And Candy, & More With Mass Spec Expert Ben Katz

Ben Greenfield

Jun 20, 2024

Episode description

Caffeine in your chocolate... synthetic cooling agents masking burning sensations in your gum, mints, and vapes... bioactive compounds you never expected in your cosmetics and beyond.

What if the ingredients on the label don't tell the full story?

In today's show, you'll meet Ben Katz, a scientist who exposes what's really in your popular supplements, foods, drinks, and other products using advanced analytical techniques on his popular MassSpecEverything social media channels. Throughout this fascinating discussion, you'll discover how Ben pulls back the curtain on consumer products using mass spectrometry and chromatography to identify and quantify chemical compounds. Additionally, you'll uncover the surprising truth about the levels of caffeine in chocolate and other candies marketed toward kids. Ben also reveals what he found after analyzing samples of two products that I frequently get asked about: “Feel Free," a bottled blend of kratom and kava (video here) and Lucy nicotine gum (video here).

Ben specializes in the field of mass spectrometry, a technique used to identify and analyze chemical compounds. Mass spectrometry is an analytical tool useful for measuring the mass-to-charge ratio (m/z) of one or more molecules present in a sample. These measurements can be used to calculate the exact molecular weight of the sample components as well — so technically, using a tool like Ben does, you can find out a lot about the supplements, drinks, gums, and other compounds you consume on a regular basis.

Brace yourself as Ben explains the presence of concerning compounds like diphenylamine, a synthetic growth regulator sprayed on fruits and vegetables. He advocates for more transparency around these post-harvest treatments, even in organic produce. You'll also get Ben's take on cleaner sources of nicotine, flavors with potentially toxic effects, and cutting-edge technologies that could one day allow you to have a mass spectrometry device in your home.

Whether you're a label scrutinizer or just curious about what's really in popular products, this eye-opening episode will leave you looking at the world of consumer goods in a whole new light!

For full show notes: bengreenfieldlife.com/spec

Episode Sponsors:

Auro Wellness: Head to Aurowellness.com/ben and use code BEN10 to get 10% off your first bottle of Glutaryl.

Timeline Nutrition: Go to

Episode description

Caffeine in your chocolate... synthetic cooling agents masking burning sensations in your gum, mints, and vapes... bioactive compounds you never expected in your cosmetics and beyond.

What if the ingredients on the label don't tell the full story?

In today's show, you'll meet Ben Katz, a scientist who exposes what's really in your popular supplements, foods, drinks, and other products using advanced analytical techniques on his popular MassSpecEverything social media channels. Throughout this fascinating discussion, you'll discover how Ben pulls back the curtain on consumer products using mass spectrometry and chromatography to identify and quantify chemical compounds. Additionally, you'll uncover the surprising truth about the levels of caffeine in chocolate and other candies marketed toward kids. Ben also reveals what he found after analyzing samples of two products that I frequently get asked about: “Feel Free," a bottled blend of kratom and kava (video here) and Lucy nicotine gum (video here).

Ben specializes in the field of mass spectrometry, a technique used to identify and analyze chemical compounds. Mass spectrometry is an analytical tool useful for measuring the mass-to-charge ratio (m/z) of one or more molecules present in a sample. These measurements can be used to calculate the exact molecular weight of the sample components as well — so technically, using a tool like Ben does, you can find out a lot about the supplements, drinks, gums, and other compounds you consume on a regular basis.

Brace yourself as Ben explains the presence of concerning compounds like diphenylamine, a synthetic growth regulator sprayed on fruits and vegetables. He advocates for more transparency around these post-harvest treatments, even in organic produce. You'll also get Ben's take on cleaner sources of nicotine, flavors with potentially toxic effects, and cutting-edge technologies that could one day allow you to have a mass spectrometry device in your home.

Whether you're a label scrutinizer or just curious about what's really in popular products, this eye-opening episode will leave you looking at the world of consumer goods in a whole new light!

For full show notes: bengreenfieldlife.com/spec

Episode Sponsors:

Auro Wellness: Head to Aurowellness.com/ben and use code BEN10 to get 10% off your first bottle of Glutaryl.

Timeline Nutrition: Go to

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Choose minimally handled produce to avoid post-harvest chemicals

Some fruits and vegetables, even organic ones, can be sprayed with chemicals like diphenylamine after harvest to make them look fresh and prevent spots. These post-harvest sprays aren’t always listed or talked about, but people should be aware that 'clean eating' produce may still have added chemicals. If you want to avoid these, look for options with minimal handling or ask your grocer about their practices.

Beware of potency in kratom and kava drinks

Popular drinks like 'Feel Free' containing kratom and kava are as advertised, with strong plant extracts and no hidden synthetic drugs found. These products can be much more potent than regular kratom or kava powders due to concentrated extracts or fermentation. Effects vary widely from person to person, and potency can be unexpectedly high.

Verify active ingredients in mushroom supplements for true benefits

Many mushroom supplements could be made from cheap, starchy materials or just mycelium, not real mushroom fruiting bodies. This means you might not actually be getting the beneficial compounds you expect. Checking for the real active ingredients is important when buying mushroom powders or capsules.

Trust reputable sources for mass spec testing of product purity

Testing products for purity and hidden ingredients using mass spectrometry is costly, with machines costing up to a million dollars and running a single test costing over $100. This limits how often and widely products can be checked. It’s important to trust reputable testers or sources who do this work.

Question natural ingredient safety and consider synthetic alternatives

Many people assume natural ingredients are always healthier, but in some cases, synthetic versions of flavors or active compounds are actually safer and more predictable. Natural plant extracts may contain unwanted or harmful byproducts. Sometimes, 'lab-made' can mean cleaner and more controlled.

Check ingredients in gums and pouches for synthetic cooling agents

Many gums and nicotine pouches use synthetic cooling agents originally meant for shaving creams to create a cooling sensation. These chemicals were not designed to be eaten, and their long-term effects when used in food or mouth products aren’t fully known. Always check for unusual ingredients in what you chew or suck on.

Offer zero-nicotine pouches to ease transition from nicotine

Offering zero-nicotine versions of popular pouches could help people quit by giving them the same flavor and experience without the addictive ingredient. Many users enjoy the flavor and the habit, not just the nicotine. This could be an easy way for people to transition away from nicotine.

Choose synthetic flavors for safer consumption

Natural flavors in products like gum and nicotine pouches often contain many extra plant compounds, some of which can be toxic or carcinogenic. Synthetic flavors can actually be safer because they are purer and more predictable. Not all 'natural' is better—sometimes, synthetic is the healthier choice.

Choose synthetic nicotine for a cleaner alternative

Most popular nicotine pouches and gums now use synthetic nicotine, which tends to be much cleaner and purer than tobacco-derived nicotine. Synthetic versions have fewer toxic impurities, making them a safer option for people already using nicotine products. However, nicotine is still highly addictive and has its own health risks.

Beware hidden caffeine in chocolate products

Many chocolate products, like M&Ms, have much higher caffeine than expected—sometimes more caffeine than the natural chocolate plant would provide. Chocolate is supposed to have mostly theobromine, but in processed candies, the caffeine can be much higher. This means some candy could give kids (and adults) a surprising energy kick.

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