Optimize Your Training: The Surprising SCIENCE of Endurance | David Roche x Rich Roll

Rich Roll

Dec 2, 2024

Episode description

David Roche is an elite trail runner who broke the Leadville 100 record in his first ultramarathon. We discuss his iconoclastic approach to training, revolutionary methods for human performance, embracing vulnerability, and more. READ MORE👉 https://bit.ly/richroll875
✌🏼🌱 - Rich

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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:58 Vulnerability in Racing
00:04:38 Overview of Leadville Race
00:05:41 David's Record-Breaking Goal
00:06:38 Training Philosophy
00:09:23 Hyper Precision in Training
00:10:05 Training Approach
00:12:10 Traditional Training Methods
00:14:17 David's Zone Two Running
00:15:15 Speed-Oriented Approach to Racing
00:17:52 Judgment in High-Performance Environments
00:19:17 The Bike Crash Incident
00:21:30 Recovery and Mental Health Challenges
00:23:09 Recommitting to Racing
00:26:09 Applying Speed Mindset to Long Distances
00:27:05 Ultrarunning Subculture
00:29:58 Nutrition Strategy
00:33:47 Competitive Eating Insights
00:35:18 Fluid Training Techniques
00:37:25 Electrolyte Monitoring
00:38:20 Race Nutrition Strategy
00:40:24 Ad Break
00:42:32 Influence of Anton Krupicka
00:43:33 Adapting Training to Life
00:44:34 Importance of Strength Training
00:44:47 Bicarbonate Use in Endurance
00:48:24 Training Volume and Experience
00:51:12 Creating a Performance Persona
00:53:08 Exogenous Ketones Discussion
00:53:54 The Rise of Ketones in Recovery
00:56:35 The Ultra Protocol Discussion
00:58:40 Universal Training Elements
01:02:33 The Case for Cross-Training
01:03:19 Challenging Traditional Training Norms
01:05:39 Sustaining High Performance in Ultramarathons
01:07:30 Sustainable Training Strategies
01:09:14 Ad Break
01:10:27 Zone Two Training Confusion
01:13:31 Training Intensity and Adaptation
01:16:33 Aerobic Base and Performance
01:18:11 Muscle Fiber Typology
01:19:06 Caloric Intake in Zone Two
01:20:12 The Nervous System's Role in Fatigue Resistance
01:21:57 Electrical Signals and Muscle Fatigue
01:24:55 Heat Training Benefits
01:27:35 Blood Volume and Performance
01:28:47 Minimum Effective Dose for Heat Training
01:30:36 Heat Training Techniques
01:31:22 Cold Therapy Exposure
01:33:03 Recovery Protocols
01:34:08 Importance of Flexibility
01:35:18 Super Shoes Discussion
01:38:40 Biomarker Tracking
01:40:27 Core Temperature Monitoring
01:47:07 Recovery Period Realities
01:48:50 Scaling Training Methodologies
01:52:41 Learning Through Experience
01:55:37 Path to Coaching
01:56:03 Imposter Syndrome in Sports
01:57:21 Coaching Accomplished Athletes
02:00:22 Vision vs. Reality in Coaching
02:02:36 Impact of Winning Leadville
02:03:37 Encouraging Ambitious Goals
02:04:28 Shooting Your Shot
02:05:44 Personal Journey and Self-Doubt
02:06:19 Value Beyond Race Results
02:07:07 Fearlessness in Running
02:07:56 Respecting the Distance
02:08:54 The Journey of Self-Discovery
02:09:51 The Pain Cave Experience
02:10:12 Lessons from Leadville
02:11:36 Embracing Vulnerability
02:12:31 Psychedelic Connections
02:13:09 The Impact of Parenthood
02:14:40 Gratitude and Growth
02:16:08 The Power of Love
02:20:14 The Importance of Process
02:21:11 Banging the Cymbal
02:22:32 Exploring Doubt in Athletics
02:22:47 Community and Shared Experience
02:23:54 The Journey of Connection
02:24:58 Misconceptions of Athletes
02:25:32 Subcultures and Personal Growth
02:26:11 Conclusion and Gratitude
02:26:23 Pursuit of Knowledge
02:26:41 Engagement and Support
02:26:42 Final Thoughts on Influence

CONNECT WITH RICH
✩ Website - http://richroll.com​
✩ Rich Roll Podcast - https://richroll.com/all-episodes/
✩ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/richroll/
✩ Twitter - https://twitter.com/richroll
✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans
✩ Strava - https://www.strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich
✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra/
✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com​
✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll

FILMED AND EDITED BY DAN DRAKE
https://www.dandrake333.com/

* * * * *

NEW TO RICH?
Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
http://bit.ly/otillonyt
http://bit.ly/vegansglam

#richroll #richrollpodcast

Episode description

David Roche is an elite trail runner who broke the Leadville 100 record in his first ultramarathon. We discuss his iconoclastic approach to training, revolutionary methods for human performance, embracing vulnerability, and more. READ MORE👉 https://bit.ly/richroll875
✌🏼🌱 - Rich

This Episode Is Brought To You By...

AURA
Exclusive $45-off Carver Mat at https://bit.ly/aura2025. Use code RICHROLL at checkout to save!

ON
Check out my favorite running shoes, apparel, & more 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/on2024

Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/rrpsponsors

LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST
Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/rrpitunes
Spotify: http://bit.ly/rrpspotify
Google: http://bit.ly/rrpgooglepods

Meal Planner: http://meals.richroll.com
Voicing Change Book: http://richroll.com/vc
Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RichRollPodcastClips
Newsletter: http://bit.ly/rollcallemail

CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:58 Vulnerability in Racing
00:04:38 Overview of Leadville Race
00:05:41 David's Record-Breaking Goal
00:06:38 Training Philosophy
00:09:23 Hyper Precision in Training
00:10:05 Training Approach
00:12:10 Traditional Training Methods
00:14:17 David's Zone Two Running
00:15:15 Speed-Oriented Approach to Racing
00:17:52 Judgment in High-Performance Environments
00:19:17 The Bike Crash Incident
00:21:30 Recovery and Mental Health Challenges
00:23:09 Recommitting to Racing
00:26:09 Applying Speed Mindset to Long Distances
00:27:05 Ultrarunning Subculture
00:29:58 Nutrition Strategy
00:33:47 Competitive Eating Insights
00:35:18 Fluid Training Techniques
00:37:25 Electrolyte Monitoring
00:38:20 Race Nutrition Strategy
00:40:24 Ad Break
00:42:32 Influence of Anton Krupicka
00:43:33 Adapting Training to Life
00:44:34 Importance of Strength Training
00:44:47 Bicarbonate Use in Endurance
00:48:24 Training Volume and Experience
00:51:12 Creating a Performance Persona
00:53:08 Exogenous Ketones Discussion
00:53:54 The Rise of Ketones in Recovery
00:56:35 The Ultra Protocol Discussion
00:58:40 Universal Training Elements
01:02:33 The Case for Cross-Training
01:03:19 Challenging Traditional Training Norms
01:05:39 Sustaining High Performance in Ultramarathons
01:07:30 Sustainable Training Strategies
01:09:14 Ad Break
01:10:27 Zone Two Training Confusion
01:13:31 Training Intensity and Adaptation
01:16:33 Aerobic Base and Performance
01:18:11 Muscle Fiber Typology
01:19:06 Caloric Intake in Zone Two
01:20:12 The Nervous System's Role in Fatigue Resistance
01:21:57 Electrical Signals and Muscle Fatigue
01:24:55 Heat Training Benefits
01:27:35 Blood Volume and Performance
01:28:47 Minimum Effective Dose for Heat Training
01:30:36 Heat Training Techniques
01:31:22 Cold Therapy Exposure
01:33:03 Recovery Protocols
01:34:08 Importance of Flexibility
01:35:18 Super Shoes Discussion
01:38:40 Biomarker Tracking
01:40:27 Core Temperature Monitoring
01:47:07 Recovery Period Realities
01:48:50 Scaling Training Methodologies
01:52:41 Learning Through Experience
01:55:37 Path to Coaching
01:56:03 Imposter Syndrome in Sports
01:57:21 Coaching Accomplished Athletes
02:00:22 Vision vs. Reality in Coaching
02:02:36 Impact of Winning Leadville
02:03:37 Encouraging Ambitious Goals
02:04:28 Shooting Your Shot
02:05:44 Personal Journey and Self-Doubt
02:06:19 Value Beyond Race Results
02:07:07 Fearlessness in Running
02:07:56 Respecting the Distance
02:08:54 The Journey of Self-Discovery
02:09:51 The Pain Cave Experience
02:10:12 Lessons from Leadville
02:11:36 Embracing Vulnerability
02:12:31 Psychedelic Connections
02:13:09 The Impact of Parenthood
02:14:40 Gratitude and Growth
02:16:08 The Power of Love
02:20:14 The Importance of Process
02:21:11 Banging the Cymbal
02:22:32 Exploring Doubt in Athletics
02:22:47 Community and Shared Experience
02:23:54 The Journey of Connection
02:24:58 Misconceptions of Athletes
02:25:32 Subcultures and Personal Growth
02:26:11 Conclusion and Gratitude
02:26:23 Pursuit of Knowledge
02:26:41 Engagement and Support
02:26:42 Final Thoughts on Influence

CONNECT WITH RICH
✩ Website - http://richroll.com​
✩ Rich Roll Podcast - https://richroll.com/all-episodes/
✩ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/richroll/
✩ Twitter - https://twitter.com/richroll
✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans
✩ Strava - https://www.strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich
✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra/
✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com​
✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll

FILMED AND EDITED BY DAN DRAKE
https://www.dandrake333.com/

* * * * *

NEW TO RICH?
Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
http://bit.ly/otillonyt
http://bit.ly/vegansglam

#richroll #richrollpodcast

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Utilize heat training to enhance blood volume and red blood cell production

Passive heat exposure from a sauna or hot tub can dramatically increase blood plasma volume, which in turn signals the body to produce more red blood cells and increase hemoglobin mass.

Utilize exogenous ketones post-exercise for recovery benefits

He uses exogenous ketones post-exercise for recovery benefits like increased natural EPO production, but not during exercise, citing studies and a potential risk of decreased testosterone.

Fuel your brain with carbohydrates to sustain willpower

High carbohydrate intake is crucial even in lower intensity zones because unused carbs preferentially go to the brain, preventing nervous system fatigue and maintaining your volitional power to continue.

Incorporate carbon-plated super shoes for effective training

He recommends using carbon-plated super shoes for hard workouts, not just races, because they offload significant stress from the body and aid in recovery and adaptation.

Train speed to enhance ultra-endurance performance

His unconventional philosophy is that to improve endurance, you should focus on raising your top-end speed, as your aerobic pace (the floor) is ultimately defined by your peak power (the ceiling).

Fuel like a pro cyclist for high-intensity performance

To perform at a high intensity for a long duration, he consumed 500-550 calories per hour, inspired by the fueling strategies of the pro cycling peloton.

Train your gut to handle high volumes of fuel

Inspired by competitive eaters, he trained his stomach to handle high volumes of fuel by periodically consuming large amounts of fluid and carbohydrates all at once during training.

Use baking soda to buffer fatigue before workouts

He uses encapsulated sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), like the product from Maurten, before hard workouts to buffer acidity, a practice he notes has had a major impact on track and field.

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