What Doctors Won’t Tell You About Nutrition

Rich Roll

Jun 9, 2025

Episode description

Dr. Matthew Nagra is a Vancouver-based naturopathic doctor and nutrition researcher who tackles misinformation around diet and nutrition. We discuss seed oil hysteria, plant vs animal protein myths, LDL denialism, carnivore diet claims, and more. READ MORE👉🏾 http://bit.ly/richroll915
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:26 Grounding in Reality
00:02:19 Exaggeration in Plant-Based Claims
00:04:51 Complexity of Nutrition
00:06:57 Seed Oil Myths
00:08:25 Correlation vs. Causation
00:09:19 Long-Term Studies on Seed Oils
00:14:23 Arguments Against Seed Oils
00:23:08 Coconut Oil and Saturated Fats
00:24:27 Butter's Resurgence in Diets
00:26:13 AD BREAK 1
00:30:32 Matthew's Journey
00:34:27 Misinformation in Nutrition
00:38:40 LDL and Cardiovascular Risk
00:40:29 Comparing Dietary Approaches
00:43:19 Understanding LDL
00:53:38 Assessing Overall Cardiovascular Risk
00:56:24 Plant vs. Animal Protein Debate
00:59:49 Essential Amino Acids in Plants
01:01:34 Protein Digestibility Scoring Systems
01:05:08 Clinical Trials on Muscle Gains
01:10:47 Protein Intake Recommendations
01:12:53 Nagra vs. Norton Disagreement
01:13:36 Critique of Red Meat Study
01:14:28 Cancer Risk Analysis
01:15:14 Broader Health Implications
01:16:16 Red Meat Consumption Debate
01:17:20 Dose and Frequency of Red Meat
01:18:59 Plant-Based Meats Research
01:20:08 Nutritional Profiles of Plant-Based Meats
01:21:37 Consumer Fear and Marketing
01:22:28 Reformulation of Plant-Based Products
01:23:48 Conspiracy Against Plant-Based Meats
01:25:13 Shifting Perceptions on Nutrition
01:27:18 Processed vs. Ultra-Processed Foods
01:28:50 Health Risks of Ultra-Processed Foods
01:29:46 Refined Grains and Health Outcomes
01:32:16 Soy and Hormonal Effects
01:35:15 Cultural Resistance to Soy
01:38:07 Debating Nutritional Completeness
01:39:49 Thought Experiment on Diet Outcomes
01:40:40 The Importance of Results Over Supplements
01:41:10 Supplementation in Omnivores vs. Vegans
01:42:42 Cherry-Picking Research in Nutrition
01:44:20 Debate Insights and Research Misunderstandings
01:45:13 Natural vs. Unnatural Foods Debate
01:46:10 Long-Term Effects of Diets
01:47:13 Health Risks in Carnivore Diet Followers
01:49:04 Anecdotes vs. Scientific Evidence
01:52:05 Gut Health and Fiber Intake
01:56:39 The vegan health study findings
01:57:37 Supplementation and fracture risk
01:58:35 Addressing bias in nutrition
02:00:59 Confusion in nutrition science
02:02:07 Research on omega-3 fats
02:04:44 The role of AI in nutrition research
02:05:41 Cutting-edge nutrition research
02:08:46 Nutrition for post-surgery recovery
02:10:49 Final thoughts on plant-based eating

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http://bit.ly/vegansglam

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Episode description

Dr. Matthew Nagra is a Vancouver-based naturopathic doctor and nutrition researcher who tackles misinformation around diet and nutrition. We discuss seed oil hysteria, plant vs animal protein myths, LDL denialism, carnivore diet claims, and more. READ MORE👉🏾 http://bit.ly/richroll915
✌🏼🌱 - Rich

This Episode Is Brought To You By…
Go Brewing: Use code Rich Roll for 15% OFF 👉https://bit.ly/gobrewing2025
Seed: Save 25% OFF your first order👉https://bit.ly/seedxrrp2025
Eight Sleep: Use code RICHROLL to get $350 off your Pod 5 Ultra👉 https://bit.ly/Eightsleep2024
Lincoln Financial: Check out the NEW 4-part series "The Action Plan"👉 https://bit.ly/lincolnfinancialxrrp
Squarespace: Use code RichRoll to save 10% off 👉 https://bit.ly/squarespace2025

Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/rrpsponsors

LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST
Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/rrpitunes
Spotify: http://bit.ly/rrpspotify
Google: http://bit.ly/rrpgooglepods

Meal Planner: http://meals.richroll.com
Voicing Change Book: http://richroll.com/vc
Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RichRollPodcastClips
Newsletter: http://bit.ly/rollcallemail

CHAPTERS
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:26 Grounding in Reality
00:02:19 Exaggeration in Plant-Based Claims
00:04:51 Complexity of Nutrition
00:06:57 Seed Oil Myths
00:08:25 Correlation vs. Causation
00:09:19 Long-Term Studies on Seed Oils
00:14:23 Arguments Against Seed Oils
00:23:08 Coconut Oil and Saturated Fats
00:24:27 Butter's Resurgence in Diets
00:26:13 AD BREAK 1
00:30:32 Matthew's Journey
00:34:27 Misinformation in Nutrition
00:38:40 LDL and Cardiovascular Risk
00:40:29 Comparing Dietary Approaches
00:43:19 Understanding LDL
00:53:38 Assessing Overall Cardiovascular Risk
00:56:24 Plant vs. Animal Protein Debate
00:59:49 Essential Amino Acids in Plants
01:01:34 Protein Digestibility Scoring Systems
01:05:08 Clinical Trials on Muscle Gains
01:10:47 Protein Intake Recommendations
01:12:53 Nagra vs. Norton Disagreement
01:13:36 Critique of Red Meat Study
01:14:28 Cancer Risk Analysis
01:15:14 Broader Health Implications
01:16:16 Red Meat Consumption Debate
01:17:20 Dose and Frequency of Red Meat
01:18:59 Plant-Based Meats Research
01:20:08 Nutritional Profiles of Plant-Based Meats
01:21:37 Consumer Fear and Marketing
01:22:28 Reformulation of Plant-Based Products
01:23:48 Conspiracy Against Plant-Based Meats
01:25:13 Shifting Perceptions on Nutrition
01:27:18 Processed vs. Ultra-Processed Foods
01:28:50 Health Risks of Ultra-Processed Foods
01:29:46 Refined Grains and Health Outcomes
01:32:16 Soy and Hormonal Effects
01:35:15 Cultural Resistance to Soy
01:38:07 Debating Nutritional Completeness
01:39:49 Thought Experiment on Diet Outcomes
01:40:40 The Importance of Results Over Supplements
01:41:10 Supplementation in Omnivores vs. Vegans
01:42:42 Cherry-Picking Research in Nutrition
01:44:20 Debate Insights and Research Misunderstandings
01:45:13 Natural vs. Unnatural Foods Debate
01:46:10 Long-Term Effects of Diets
01:47:13 Health Risks in Carnivore Diet Followers
01:49:04 Anecdotes vs. Scientific Evidence
01:52:05 Gut Health and Fiber Intake
01:56:39 The vegan health study findings
01:57:37 Supplementation and fracture risk
01:58:35 Addressing bias in nutrition
02:00:59 Confusion in nutrition science
02:02:07 Research on omega-3 fats
02:04:44 The role of AI in nutrition research
02:05:41 Cutting-edge nutrition research
02:08:46 Nutrition for post-surgery recovery
02:10:49 Final thoughts on plant-based eating

CONNECT WITH RICH
✩ Website - http://richroll.com​
✩ Rich Roll Podcast - https://richroll.com/all-episodes/
✩ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/richroll/
✩ Twitter - https://twitter.com/richroll
✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans
✩ Strava - https://www.strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich
✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra/
✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com​
✩ Cook - The Plantpower Way - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-signed/
✩ Italian! - The Plantpower Way: Italia - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-italia-signed/
✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll

FILMED AND EDITED BY DAN DRAKE
https://www.dandrake333.com/

* * * * *

NEW TO RICH?
Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles:
http://bit.ly/otillonyt
http://bit.ly/vegansglam

I LOVE MAIL! SEND IT HERE:
2630 Conejo Spectrum St.
Thousand Oaks, CA 91320

#richroll #richrollpodcast

Mindsip insights from this episode:

Leverage soy's phytoestrogens for bone health and breast protection

Phytoestrogens in soy have beneficial pro-estrogenic effects in bone tissue while having protective anti-estrogenic effects in breast tissue, explaining their positive health outcomes.

Debunk butter health myth linked to cardiovascular risk

The popular idea that butter is healthy came from studies that mistakenly adjusted for LDL cholesterol, the very mechanism through which butter increases cardiovascular risk.

Incorporate seed oils to reduce cardiovascular risk and enhance longevity

Contrary to a pervasive myth, current evidence is strong and compelling for including seed oils to lower cardiovascular risk and improve mortality.

Shift 3% of calories from animal to plant protein to reduce mortality risk

Shifting just 3% of daily calories from animal protein, especially red meat, to plant protein can lower the risk of mortality by 10-15%.

Recognize limitations of zero calcium score in assessing plaque risk

A coronary artery calcium score of zero in younger individuals does not mean you are free of plaque, as the most dangerous plaque is non-calcified and calcification is a late-stage process.

Match total protein intake to achieve muscle gains with plant protein

As long as total protein intake is matched, clinical trials show that plant-based diets lead to the same muscle and strength gains as omnivorous diets.

Swap animal meat for plant-based alternatives to lower LDL cholesterol

Randomized controlled trials show that swapping animal meat for plant-based meat alternatives consistently lowers LDL cholesterol, even when compared to organic, grass-fed meat products.

Differentiate ultra-processed foods to manage health risks

Within the ultra-processed food category, processed animal products and sodas drive most of the health risk, while some items like whole-grain cereals are associated with better outcomes.

Maintain healthy weight to support vegan bone health

The higher fracture risk seen in some vegans is likely driven by having a low body weight, as the risk disappears in vegans with a BMI over 22.5.

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